Dear Dr. Stoll,
Thank you for your prompt and extensive commentary on my last
letter to you regarding Sanctification and MBTI Allow me to respond
point by point. First let me say that my comparison of salvation
to sanctification was to simply illustrate that BOTH are impossible
with the help of MBTI and BOTH can ONLY be accomplished by the
Lord through His Word. I knew you would agree that salvation
could be accomplished by no other means, so the comparison I
made was to prove that sanctification couldn't be either. My
commentary will be in red.
JOHN STOLL:
I realize that either I didn't make myself plain in previous
communication, or else you have misunderstood where I come from
in my Theology and/or Psychology.
I shared your article with a number of ministries and scholars.
A reasonable person would read your title and article and conclude
that you were, in fact, connecting MBTI with sanctification and
defending Carl Jung. And not to my surprise, they all concurred.
I believe you made yourself quite plain in both the article your
your correspondence, though your letters are full of contradictions,
as I will continue to demonstrate.
Here is a letter from a scholar, conservative Biblical professor
who wrote an excellent book on marriage and divorce, Dr. Carl
Laney. As I fear the Lord from ever bearing false witness against
a brother or transgress one of the Ten Commandments, I would
not want to falsely accuse you or mis-represent you. So I ask
him if he thought I misunderstood your position. Here is his
response:
Dear James:
But I have spent some time on the subject. I would agree that
we (and marriage) are sanctified by the Word of God, not the
Meyers/Briggs personality profile or any other counseling tool.
Frankly, James, I have zero confidence in the use of modern
Christian psychology to solve any of the spiritual problems Christians
face. I think the Word and the Spirit are God's means of dealing
with spiritual problems.
I support your viewpoint and would conclude that you have
correctly
understood Dr. Stoll and have properly critiqued him.
Blessings,
Dr. Carl Laney
JOHN STOLL:
Contrary to what you maintain: Jungian Psychology or MBTI,
since I eschew that whole concept and I have taught sanctification
for over 50 year, and never once ever connected that with MBTI..
Here is the proof, quoting you...first, it is obvious from
your very title that you are connecting it:
1. Title:
"THE USE OF THE MYERS/BRIGGS
INSTRUMENT IN SANCTIFICATION
OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS"
John H. Stoll, Ph.D.
Executive Director, ASK, Inc.
If you eschew the connection, the title might read The Abuse
of MBTI, or Misuse of MBTI..the way Paul discussed tongues. But
even this would assume MBTI is a valid tool. A hammer is a valid
tool in carpentry, but you could not use it to saw a board. But
a hammer is good for pounding nails. MBTI, as an occultic tool
is not valid for anything, let alone sanctification. So the title
should read: Myers/Briggs has absolutely NO use as an Instrument
in Sanctification of Life and Marriage Relationships. It is as
useful as your horoscope and just as forbidden for a Christian.
JOHN STOLL:
2. "Then to, God has given human resources that enable
us to better understand ourselves, and among them is the use
of the Myers/Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) as an evaluating instrument
for character development, and help in a husband/wife understanding
of each other." And "The Myers/Briggs Type Indicator
(henceforth MBTI) evaluating instrument can be a valuable tool
for husband and wife in order to understand each others basic
character development."
Sorry, there is NO other evaluating instrument for character
development than the Bible!!! So that means you can't use MBTI.
JOHN STOLL:
"The sixteen different character combinations" (dreamed
up by whom? if not Carl Jung, then whom? If you remove every
component of Jung's philosophy from MBTI what would still be
left in MBTI. Even the MBTI designers themselves confirm that
MBTI is Jung except more organized and numbered) “that provide
an understanding of how one's character operates in life, and
to help in understanding the character behavior of one's mate.”
(We not to understand one's character by using doctrines and
teachings of devils. We are not to know and understand character
by a source other than Scripture, when Scripture tell us that
everything we need to know to understand character is in the
Bible itself as well as telling us it is sufficient for confronting
defects in character) “Together they are able to use this
knowledge” (use forbidden knowledge? That is like saying
that in Ephesus in the Book of Acts "we really didn't practice
sorcery ourselves, we just used the scrolls of the people who
did practice sorcery to get the ideas they then penned into the
scrolls. So it is OK to use the scrolls? Of course, not! They
burned the scrolls!!!!!!!) “in assisting each other in their
spiritual development." (so MBTI is neutral...you stated
in your email to me "The 8 types of indicated of human behavior
regardless of one's worldview or philosophy of life." Now
your stating it is useful in spiritual development. Spiritual
development is hardly neutral of worldview. Everything spiritual
reflects worldview. And as to spiritual development, there is
no spiritual development without the Bible via the Holy Spirit
and prayer). How can MBTI be spiritual when psychology does not
believe in the spirit, only the body and soul. How does you develop
something they say is non-existent. But of course MBTI will affect
you spiritually but not in a positive way, be a harmful way.
You will reap what you sow if you tamper with sorcery or any
of the fruit of sorcery.)
JOHN STOLL:
4. "The spiritual and psychological wholeness calls for
a balance between our preferred and less preferred ways of being
and doing." "We all have strongly ingrained tendencies
to adopt patterns of spiritual maturity which favor our preferences."
That is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches we are to be
obedient to His ways whether we prefer them or not (our ways
are not his ways). Who determines this very subjective "balance"
?
JOHN STOLL:
5. "so in the spiritual body of believers is there an
interdependence on one another"
I agree...but this is interdependence of other BELIEVERS.
MBTI authors were not believers!" Note further who is the
head in this analogy of the Body. Christ is the head. And we
are to have the mind of Christ. So where does MBTI fit in the
head?
JOHN STOLL:
6. "Carl Jung discovered that human beings have four
essential behavioral preferences that shape the way they relate
to the world around them,"
Carl Jung did not discover the essence of human behavior.
The Bible already told us thousands of years before Jung that
the heart is wicked and deceitful above all things...who can
know it? We can't but Carl Jung can? And where in the Bible are
we told there are four preferences? What Scripture tell us to
catalogue them even if they do exist? Also, I thought you denounce
Carl Jung?
JOHN STOLL:
"There is no right or wrong to these pairs, but they
are equal in worth."
Now this truly is a strawman argument. First it presumes that
there is even any such things a "pairs". Then it concludes
they are equal in worth. The Bible clearly teaches that we are
determine right or wrong in human behavior from what the Bible
teaches us, then act accordingly. We don't act or obey based
on discerning between qualities or pairs that the Bible doesn't
even give us!
Instead of touting Carl Jung in this article, you should as
a teacher and elder of God's word be saying straight away that
Carl Jung was a false teacher. You should be protecting the flock
from these kind of wolves, not inviting them in to the pen. You
should not be giving Carl Jung even a hint of credibility. Before
you administer any MBTI test to an unsuspecting person, do you
tell them what Carl Jung thought of Christianity?
JOHN STOLL:
7. "Every individual has both options of each pair available
to him. These preferences are part of the creation equipment
God has given to us"
Did you get this idea from Jung (whom you denounce), MBTI,
or the Bible? If the Bible, please cite Chapter and Verse.
JOHN STOLL:
8. "In the spiritual maturation of life, as well as the
marriage relationship, it is important that we consider the development
of our "weak" side"
Our definition and litmus test of spiritual maturation is
determined by Scripture not MBTI. We are perfected in our weakness.
"I am weak but he is strong." And once again I thought
MBTI was spiritual neutral, yet you use it to assist in "spiritual
maturation." Where in the Bible does it tell us to "develop
our weak side?" If the 8 types or combinations are morally
neutral regarding right and wrong ("there is no right or
wrong), then developing one or more of them does not make them
right or wrong either. Nothing is achieved. A Christian needs
to make every choice with the intent of non-neutral right fruit
of the spirit being produced. So at best MBTI is a pointless
gesture and at worst, sorcery.
JOHN STOLL:
Biblical principles point to this as the optimum for fullness
(note: John 10:10).
Biblical principles do not point to MBTI so that we can have
life and life more abundantly. Let's look at John 10:10:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have
[it] more abundantly." John 10:10
Nineteen hundred years of Christians, including a host of
persecuted and martyred saints did not have love more abundantly
because they possessed everything. But they lacked one thing.....the
MBTI. Wouldn't we have life abundant if we overcome the world?
Well the saints in Revelation overcame with the Blood of Jesus
and Word of their testimony. But they too lacked one thing. They
did not have MBTI so that they could possess life abundant. This
exegesis of John 10:10 is almost beyond my comprehension. Orthodox
Christian scholars throughout the ages would tell you that it
is possessing Jesus Christ himself that give you life abundant
as well as more abundantly. To suggest that we need MBTI because
of John 10:10 is both absurd and heretical. You further state
that lack of balance is harmful. Who decides what combinations
put you in balance? Besides I thought any of the combination
types is morally neutral...there is no right or wrong any combination.
So whether in balance or out of balance...it wouldn't matter...This
idea of balance is pagan idea as seen in the Yin and Yang that
you must keep in balance. But it is not a Biblical idea. Something
perhaps even more frightening is the prospect that you are actually
able to convince someone that they are now "in balance"
which they ought to be able to achieve with the help of a psychotherapist,
by simply adjusting the balance of strong vs. weak behavior traits.
But the world can do this (assuming the theories are even true)
and be just a lost. They could even balance these traits in their
marriage without every opening up the Scripture. And you would
suggest they could sanctify their marriage with this new balance,
when the Scripture itself says that your marriage is sanctified
by the watering of the Word?
"That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing
of water by the word", Ephesians 5:26
JOHN STOLL:
9. "A number of years ago I had a Mother bring her teenage
son in for counseling. The problem, as she told it, was between
her son and his father, in that they never could see things the
same. She felt caught in the middle, as she loved her husband,
as well as her son. I administered the Myers/Briggs to all three"
MBTI to the rescue? MBTI saved the day? How about going straight
to the Lord? So is it a matter of simply showing each other how
they see things differently? They could both be wrong. Isn't
what matters is if one or all three of them are not seeing things
how the Bible sees them? And fixing the the problem is obeying
the Bible. It is quite troubling to imagine how a Godly counselor
would have fixed their problem for nineteen hundred years without
administering the MBTI. Why not have all three people repent,
pray, and make restitution according to the commands of the Bible
vs. morally neutral results of cataloging traits....something
without precedent in either the Old or New Testament.
JOHN STOLL:
10. "In order for a Christian to become a mature, spiritually
minded person, it is essential to know what one's preferred character
pattern is, then to flesh out the opposite pattern of character."
Preferred by whom? One of these characters, or the Lord? What
if the "preferred character pattern" and less preferred
or even hated pattern are BOTH a stench in the nostrils of the
Lord? What if the preferred character pattern is a delight to
the Lord, why wouldn't you develop it even more? What if the
opposite pattern is not pleasing to the Lord either? We don't
balance it or flush it out, we get rid of it completely. What
if they are both preferred or pure to the Lord? Wouldn't you
cultivate both? Would there have been any hope for this family
without MBTI? How do you know the person wouldn't be worse off
by "balancing" these traits?
"Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that
are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their
mind and conscience is defiled." Titus 1:15
So how does MBTI template work with Titus 1:15? It is impossible,
of course!
JOHN STOLL:
10. " If one does not nurture his less preferred pattern,
then the spiritual journey will have problems,"
Narrow is the way a few it be that choose it. "Whoever
would follow me must deny himself (of his preferred pattern)
and pick up the Cross and follow me!" The preferred pattern
for ALL Mankind is darkness, as men love the darkness more than
the light. So if we nurture the preferred pattern we are all
on the highway to Hell. So, in fact, Biblically speaking, it
is quite the opposite. It is following our preferred patterns,
or the flesh that will create problems in our spiritual journey.
So, once again, it is not what we prefer but what HE prefers
that will lead us to the light!! It is "thy word that is
a lamp unto my feet (for my spiritual journey) not my preferences.
JOHN STOLL:
11. "an ESFJ enjoys being with and ministering to people,
but if one does not take time for inner reflection and meditation,
and think through God's plan for his life, then he will not come
to that maturity of life, which God intends for His children
to enjoy (John 10:10)."
An ESFJ (which one obtains from taking the MBTI) can't enjoy
John 10:10. Millions of people who never took the MBTI ever even
found out that they were an MBTI in order to take the appropriate
steps to enjoy John 10:10. So you are suggesting that all of
the ESFJs never enjoyed life and life more abundant? Of course,
this is assuming that there is even any such character traits
or correct cataloging of traits in this given individual....and
that the theory is even true.
JOHN STOLL:
12. "Our aim is a balanced, centered spirituality. These
words are meant to facilitate understanding, not to stifle individuality."
Centered spirituality? This is totally a New Age idea taken
directly from "kundalini" and being "centered"
as it is a part of Eastern Meditation. But it has no place in
the Bible or should it be practiced by any Christian.
JOHN STOLL:
13. "the dangers of one-sided spirituality,"
If we walk totally one-sided in the spirit, how is that a
danger? We should pray that we were even more one-sided!
JOHN STOLL:
14. "Who is in control of our mind and heart, with all
its desires and purposes---God or us?
If God is in control, why are we subjectively controlling
or balancing our own preferences or traits as determined by MBTI?
JOHN STOLL:
"Holy Spirit control of our lives will bring us to wholeness,
balance, and holiness, as we allow the truth of God's Word to
minister to our lives."
Once again, If God is in control, why are we subjectively
controlling or balancing our own preferences or traits as determined
by MBTI? This is all done without the MBTI and God did it from
the beginning of time, so why now introduce MBTI? and even if
you administered this test, how do you trust its results?
JOHN STOLL:
15. Our spiritual formation always takes place within our
given psychological state and personality preference patterns."
No it doesn't. Our spiritual formation is determined by our
obedience to the Scripture, and prayer, and loving God with all
our heart, mind and body.
JOHN STOLL:
16. "The preferred pattern of character behavior is molded
by a combination of the aforementioned elements that combine
to produce one's character."
This preferred pattern of traits that you learn by taking
the MBTI test does not produce character. Personality Traits
do not produce character, righteousness
produces character. Submitting ourselves to God (not MBTI)
produces character. Suffering for Christ produces both character
and a crown. Enduring until the end produces character. So if
you really want to produce character read and heed II Peter 1:5-8
and don't take or heed MBTI.
"And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith
virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance;
and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to
godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that
ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is
blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was
purged from his old sins." II Peter 1:5-8
JOHN STOLL:
17. "The combination of both partners being intuitive
(N) and feeling (F) tends to make great lovers, and produce a
closeness between them, since both are desirous of projective
themselves to meet the other one's needs, without thought of
selfishly having theirs met."
So now we are using MBTI to make us better lovers? Why not
do what the Scripture tell us to do to be better lovers, such
as praying and fasting for a season, or adorning our inner-most
being and be brought closer together because we are BOTH obeying
the Lord? N and F combined should not have any advantage in this
aspect of their marriage than any combination of traits in spouses....that
is assuming these traits are even valid.
JOHN STOLL:
18. "It is primarily through recognizing one's deficiencies,
taking personal responsibility for rectifying the problem, getting
help through various means, of which one valuable tool is the
MBTI, and allowing the Holy Spirit through the Word of God to
bring wholeness as well as Holiness to one's life ..."
THERE IS NO "AND"! IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT ONLY! THE
WORD OF GOD ITSELF AS I OUTLINED ABOVE CONTRADICTS MBTI ANYWAY!
MBTI CAN NOT BRING HOLINESS TO ONE'S LIFE? WHAT YOU SUGGEST IS
ADDING UNTO SCRIPTURE.
JOHN STOLL:
Illustration: you wondered how that I certainly would not
use the MBTI to help one to salvation, but would use it to help
with sanctification. How you jumped from the one to the other
is beyond me, since that concept is totally foreign to my thinking.
If it is foreign to your thinking, then why did you write
an article connecting sanctification with MBTI?
JOHN STOLL:
I have taught Biblical sanctification for over 50 years, and
never once ever connected that with the MBTI. If you wish to
understand my understanding of sanctification, go to the Christian
Leadership Ministries web site of Campus Crusade, and dial up,
<www.leaderu.com/offices/stoll/maturity> and there you
will open up my book, "Biblical Principles For Christian
Maturity" and scroll down to Chap. 20.
Did you write the article: "THE USE OF THE MYERS/BRIGGS
INSTRUMENT IN SANCTIFICATION OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS"
during those fifty years? If you did, then you have, in fact
connected them.
Also, I have gone to your article Biblical Principles for
Christian Maturity as you suggested.
John Stoll:
being set apart from sin, and set apart unto God.
I agree, this is an excellent apologetic on Sanctification,
could not be better articulated. If this is all you published,
I would be recommending it to everyone around the world. My initial
letter to you would be simply a commendation. It is pure and
sound doctrine. But it is so good, so completely sufficient,
it leaves me stunned and dumbfounded to then read your other
article which promotes Jung and MBTI as a tool in sanctification.
But neither Carl Jung or MBTI were set apart from sin nor were
they set apart unto God.. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of
wisdom. Neither Jung, Myers, or Briggs feared the Lord, so they
did not even have the beginning of wisdom. So on both counts
there is nothing they could do to assist us in sanctifying life
or marriage. You conclude with:
John Stoll:
In II Corinthians 7:1 it says we are to, "Purify ourselves
from everything that contaminates the body and spirit, maturing
holiness out of reverence for God".
But this Scripture should slam the door on introducing Jung
and MBTI which is impure and which does contaminate the body
and spirit. A little leaven will leaveneth the WHOLE lump. Ephesians
Five states that there should not be even a hint of impurity
in the Body of Christ, or named among you, yet you continue to
defend the use of MBTI. Would this apply to both sexual and spiritual
harlotry?
John Stoll:
I also have chapters on Philosophy & Psychology in addition
to Theology, and not once will you ever see any indication of
either Jungian psychology or the MBTI, since I eschew that whole
concept.
If your chapter on sanctification were the only chapter, I
would breathe a sigh of relief, But then you capsize everything
by then defending humanism and psychology in Chapters 30 and
31. If you eschew Jungian psychology and the MBTI, then why do
you endorse and validate him in your other article on LeaderU
on Sanctification? And if you eschew MBTI in Sanctification of
marriage, then when do you invoke the term acronym MBTI nine
times in the same article plus the complete name in the title
of your article? You rightfully state that sanctification is
position in Christ, progressive, and perfect. But since MBTI
is incapable of assisting as a tool and any one of these three,
why introduce it at all? You maintain that you have not integrated
Sanctification and MBTI, yet you devote an entire article to
integrating them in your article: THE USE OF THE MYERS/BRIGGS
INSTRUMENT IN SANCTIFICATION OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS
HUMANISM VS. CHRISTIANITY
I also note that you defend aspects of humanism and believe
you can integrate psychology with Christianity...i.e., Don't
throw the baby out with the bath water. But there is no baby
in humanism. Humanism is a worldview that is atheistic and mutually
exclusive to Christianity. In fact humanism is the antithesis
of sanctification. Humanism suggests that man can perfect man,
while sanctification says only the Word of God via Jesus Christ
the author, and the Holy Spirit can perfect man. Would you dare
suggest that there are parts of the baby we can keep in Nazism,
Communism, Buddhism, or Hinduism? I am sure you would say none
of these contain a baby to save! So, it is simply unthinkable
that you would make any statements defending Humanism. And this
is not simply my understanding of humanism or your statement
about it, but represents Orthodox Christianity. I could spend
volumes addressing humanism and psychology, but our correspondence
is primarily devoted to Sanctification, Jung, and MBTI aspect
of Psychology.
John Stoll:
Just because Jung had a philosophical and psychological frame
of reference that included eastern mysticism, etc. into his formulation
of types, does not necessarily adversely color to plain fact
that people are different in character, and that difference can
be classified.
So you admit, that the roots of this MBTI tree are not of
God. An article a number of hears ago in Christianity Today has
a cover illustration of this very tree, including Jung. So it
is clear these are thornbush roots by own admission. Even if
these traits were true of a given individual, where in the Bible
does it tell us to classify them?
JOHN STOLL:
There are many other Psychological testing instruments that
approach an understanding of people's character, that use different
nomenclature, but measure the same thing.
No, there is not one Psychological test that can understand
a man's character, only the Bible can do that. Psychology does
not even know what character is. It can't because it does not
even define the nature of man correctly.
JOHN STOLL:
Just because I, as a Christian, use the MBTI, does not necessarily
follow that I buy into Jung's philosophy, In fact, I would say
that probably most Christians who use the MBTI do not know the
philosophical/psychological underpinning of that test.
Once again you admit the (thornbush) roots of MBTI in Jung.
Christians taking a test in ignorance is an excuse? My people
perish from ignorance!
JOHN STOLL:
You have raised a "straw man" in argument against
me, in that I agree with all these statements you made, as well
as the scriptures you quoted. I have taught all these things
for over 50 years.
It is not a strawman argument if I can prove through your
own text where these ideas in MBTI and Jung came from, i.e.,
their roots. So the roots of this thornbush are Jung and the
MBTI is one of its branches. So if you agree with that Scripture,
than you can be simultaneously claiming we can get anything good
out of the thornbush....not figs, not sanctification, not anything
good! What would be this a strawman argument is if I claimed
these ideas came from the Lord but really didn't, then proclaim
the fruit to be figs. As humbly as I can say this, you are the
one who has set up the strawman, by giving any credence to Jung
or MBTI to connect it whatsoever to Sanctification. What is so
ironic about this is that if I were to persuade someone and reason
from Scriptures as Paul would have done to abandon MBTI as a
tool of sanctification, I would use your own chapter on Sanctification
in your book: Biblical Principles for Christian Maturity.
JOHN STOLL:
Your use of Eph. 5:26 is well taken, and I have used that
verse hundreds of times in counseling couples, as to the sanctifying
aspect of the Word of God.
That's good! But do you also tell them NOTHING but the Word
of God can sanctify them, which is in the next verse?
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not
having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should
be holy and without blemish. Ephesian 5:27
If the Word, alone can make us holy and perfect, anything
else added would be adding a spot, wrinkle, or blemish. How is
this not TOTALLY sufficient? And if we can achieve total sanctification
by this method, then what cant MBTI contribute? I would be surprised
if no client of your ever asked the question about why are we
adding MBTI? I sure would be asking it?
JOHN STOLL:
I think your analogy on p. 3 as to my using the a Ouija board,
a star scroll, or Mandela as a template, is ludicrous, to say
the least. I don't find that analogy to be true.
It is not just an analogy, as the very content of Jung's philosophy
(the heart and soul of MBTI) is derived from sorcery, which is
precisely what Ouija Boards and Astrology are derived from...same
source, same author of confusion, same same doctrines of demons.
How, with all of your years of studying Jung, and even agreeing
with all of the documentation I sent you on Jung, it totally
mystifies me that you could miss the analogy. You have tried
to save MBTI from Jung. But if you go to Myers-Briggs own website
and the author's own testimony you would read the following:
KATHARINE BRIGGS:
the vision of Katharine Briggs was to understand human development
and to discover the keys that would enable each individual to
reach their full potential.
....After years of gradually creating her own formulation,
she discovered and adopted the ideas and framework expressed
by Carl Gustav Jung in his book, Psychological Types. The rest
of her life was focused on studying the works of Jung and in
striving to bring the potential benefits of knowing and applying
his ideas to the world.”
ISABEL MEYERS:
Isabel Myers, in the second half of her life, was to accomplish
what she saw as a foundation piece of her mother's vision by
giving individuals access to and understanding of their Jungian
preference type through the development of the Myers-Briggs Type
Indicator® (MBTI®) instrument.
Source: http://www.myersbriggs.org/foundation/objectives_goals.cfm
So you can see there is no way of even having an MBTI without
Carl Jung's ideas and philosophy! You want to use the Bible as
a template over MBTI? Good! In this way you can test the spirits
to see if they be of God. When you see that these ideas did not
come from God, you should reject them in total!
JOHN STOLL:
I have always evaluated every philosophical concept or psychological
by the principles of God's word, and especially rely on the book
of Colossians, which is the true philosophical book of the Bible.
If you did, you would get rid of MBTI when you discovered
that its principles do not square with the Bible. And the Bible
is is not a philosophical book, where man dreams up ideas of
human nature, it is God's direct revelation of his commandments
not his ideas.
JOHN STOLL:
Yes, I indicated that God loves Jung, just as He loves you
and me (John 3:16). Furthermore, Christ died to save Jung from
his sins, as He did for you and me (2 Peter 3:9; 1 Tim. 2:4).
That doesn't mean that Jung is necessarily a Christian, anymore
that it means you or I are, except we make a personal commitment
to Jesus Christ, as Lord and Savior. Again, I am puzzled as to
how you make out of our dialogue that accusation, anymore than
I am puzzled as to how you connect the MBTI and sanctification
to my thinking. Granted, I fully believe that obedience is better
than sacrifice.
I don't believe I used the word accuse, and prefer to use
the terms and verbs the Bible says we should invoke regarding
a brother we wish to confront....that is edify, admonish, correct,
rebuke, train, etc., as accuse is used as the verb by Satan who
is the accuser of the brethren, with no love of truth or interest
in restoration or restitution. I am not sure how I accused you
here, except to clarify Biblically who God loves. So I will simply
ask you, if Carl Jung did not repent before his death, does God
still love him whom he would send to Hell for Eternity? So just
what position is it that you do hold regarding RC?
JOHN STOLL:
And, I stand totally on the Word of God. As to my going to
Notre Dame, when I went there, I was a full fledged Theologian
with 25 years of teaching Bible & Theology in Christian colleges/seminaries,
and I knew full well what Roman Catholicism teaches, both before
as well as after Vatican II. However, I was never pressured to
accept any of their teachings. In fact I was solicited both in
the classroom as well as outside the classroom, to use my Bible
and discuss from my Biblical point of view. My position was solicited
as well as welcomed. I used my 5 years there as an open door
to witness for the Lord, and it was a great opportunity the Lord
gave me.
So, that our yeas are yeas and our nays are nay, did you share
with them that RC denies Sola Scriptura? Did you do as Paul the
Apostle commands us to do an expose their teaching as false and
unbiblical? Did you tell them they teach another gospel and another
Jesus from your Biblical point of view? Did you tell them as
former RC Priest Richard Bennett declares that RC is both pagan
and apostate?
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Finally let me just say what Harrison Ford said to the President
of the United States in the movie which I believe was called
Clear and Present Danger, when he had to confront the President
and said It gives me no pleasure to do so, Sir! But he was compelled
to because he had sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution of
the United States, just as I am compelled to tell you the truth,
as Paul confronted Peter because he was clearly in the wrong.
As a Christian I am compelled to uphold Scripture and expose
teaching which clear false. And like Ezekiel's Watchman passage,
woe to me were I to remain silent.
I remain ever hopeful and vigilant that you will denounce
MBTI for what is and give Glory to God for exposing it for what
it is as not only being of no value to a Christian in sanctification,
but of no use to maturing a Christian in any respect, I also
pray that, in fact, you reveal and publish that MBTI is destructive
and demonically inspired.
I eagerly await a praise report to this effect.
Kindest regards in Christ,
James Sundquist
